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Letters to the Editor: December 21, 2016

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A proud liberal

Editor:

The following is an exact quote of the definition from Webster’s Dictionary:

Lib’ er-al, I.a 1. Possessing or manifesting a free and generous heart; bountiful. 2. Appropriate and/or fitting for a broad and enlightened mind. 3. Free from narrowness, bigotry, or bondage to authority or creed, II.n. 1. Any person who advocates liberty of thought, speech or action.

Yes, my friends (and enemies), I am proud to be considered a liberal.

Arnold Knack
Avondale

 

Post is exclusive

Editor:

Cry -Cry-Cry Mary Hayes,

You feel left out, stop and take a look at the requirements to join the American Legion Post 61. Once a veteran always a veteran, now tell me how many veterans have been denied acceptance in your organization. Possibly Post 61 should have been over looked many years ago. I am not saying your organization does not benefit communities and towns, but remember most organizations are readily involved, helping their community in a way they deem needed. And yes I am a NAVY VETERAN, but I don’t cry.

Jerry Oglesbee
Avondale

 

Lake project is a mess

Editor:

I’m sure you all know by now that my husband, dog and I walk around the lake in Litchfield Park nearly every day. We watch it pretty closely, especially since April when the renovations began.

It appears everything is done except the actual walkway. Now it looks like they are putting some sort of cap around the perimeter of the walkway. Maybe the concrete will be poured soon.

Many of the ducks returned on their own and, since it is now winter, many coots also returned. Approximately three weeks ago some sort of blue chemical was added to the lake, and all seemed to be fine. Apparently, it didn’t affect any of the wildlife. But, in the past week something green has been added and most of the wildlife has now left. There are about four ducks and maybe six coots left. One gentleman we talked to said that he personally pulled about ten dead cormorants out of the lake and all the minnows have also died.

We were told this whole project would take until the end of September. Now, we are well into December and still no end in sight. It seems this has been a mishandled project since the get-go. I can’t imagine how the City will be able to do the annual trout derby next month. To add insult to injury, all the grass in the park is dead, none of the non-working lights around the perimeter of the lake have been fixed, the watering system has not been addressed and the fountain still doesn’t work. Our once-beautiful little lake is rather a pathetic mess. I pray things will soon change, but am not holding my breath.

Sharon Green
Litchfield Park

 

Last is the new first explained

Editor:

Since my first letter was published two very intelligent woman said they didn’t understand i, I decided to explain it further.

Tower starts with the first letter of Trump. Power is the new symbol of Trump since his ascention, and P is the last letter of trumP.

Carl Deierling
Goodyear

 

F-35 is necessary

Editor:

Since we’ve heard a lot about the new President calling for re-negotiation with Boeing over the new Air Force One that has been ordered, we are glad that our government has started to watch the costs. To meet the pledge of fully equipping our military, we hope it will be noted that the F-35 Fighter Jets that will secure our nation well into the future, has seen declining costs for the past few years. This fighter jet is the most futuristic aircraft ever invented. Designed to provide maximum protection for our pilots, I am confident that this is a worthy expenditure for our country and hopeful that the new President feels the same.

Sarah Downey
Litchfield Park

 

Thank a police officer

Editor:

On Thanksgiving my husband and I decided to be part of the madness at Wal-mart. We went to the Wal-mart in Goodyear and when we were walking to the front we saw some police officers pulling a man out of a pickup truck. At first we thought they were arresting the man for stealing or something and began to chuckle but they laid him on the ground and starting doing CPR on him so we knew it was some type of medical issue. We should have walked away and minded our own business but like the other onlookers we watched. The officers did CPR until the fire truck and ambulance arrived. Within a few minutes the man was sitting up on the stretcher and appeared to be alright from what we could see. We felt obligated to share this story because of what our police officers and public safety is going through. They have gotten a bad rap and it’s important people know they are there to protect us (and save us too). Please keep all police officers and firemen in your prayers this Christmas. Many have been killed this year that won’t get to spend Christmas with their families. When you see a police officer thank them for what they do.

Lorna Palacios
Buckeye

 

Election results, consequences

Editor:

The election shock is still being digested by those on the right (adulation) and those on the left (disbelief) with all of the accusation, denial and excuses justifying the outcome. One side pointing to the Electoral College and the other the popular vote. The reality is Americans in key rural areas around the country came out in support of a change in direction for the county. This came as a shock to urban America. The message is simple, the economy and jobs are a top priority, improving healthcare and the regulatory regime, And finally and most importantly. RESTORE law and order to the streets of America and STOP the execution of police officers on the streets of America.....It’s time to accept the outcome of the election and step up and support this President as we have every other President in our history. The media or those that would not give the administration a chance is doing our nation a and it’s people a dis-service. At this point speculation on WHAT may be done is not criticism of a deed, it criticizing some you THING will be done....Holding the President accountable is part of our job, but letting him get to work for the country is also an obligation.....OUR SYSTEM IS MESSING FOR A REASON...God Bless America......

Virgil Warden
Goodyear

 

Seasons greetings

Editor:

Since, this year, Chanukah and Christmas overlap, it’s especially appropriate to consider the Jewish holiday’s importance for everyone.

Thousands of years ago Antiochus Epiphanies (ruler of the Middle East) had a not terribly original idea. He launched a “culture war” to unify his kingdom, requiring everyone to follow his religion (and its “traditional values”). The plan failed in the land of Israel, where the people revolted, threw out the foreign occupiers, and rededicated the Temple in Jerusalem to their God. (Chanukah means “rededication”.)

This may be the first war fought for religious freedom, a signal event in human history. It’s important for America, a land founded on freedom of religion, and freedom from government meddling in or control of religion. It also has significance for Christians.

Consider the consequences had the revolt failed. Jesus would have been born into a pagan family, in a pagan land. The Jewish scriptures would have long been forgotten. Could Jesus have even commenced preaching in such circumstances? Would there be an audience that could even understand, much less be inspired by the message?

So as my Christian neighbors and friends prepare to celebrate what I hope is a very Merry Christmas, remember: without Chanukah there could be no Christmas.

Happy Holidays to everyone!

Gordon P.R. Posner
Tolleson

 

Russia, Trump in cahoots

Editor:

First Conversation That Trump Has With Vladimir Putin:

Putin: “Congratulations Mr. President Trump; we are very pleased and pleasantly surprised with your election.”

Trump: “So was I!”

Putin: “Well you should be because our cyber operatives advised us that the metrics reveal that our hacking into the Democratic Party database did significantly alter the perception of Hillary Clinton’s issues with her e-mails and we successfully conflated the leaks in conjunction with Julian Assange. This made the difference that got you elected, Mr. President. By the way, your FBI Director, James Comey, was a great help in proliferating our manufactured perception about Mrs. Clinton. He’s a keeper.”

Trump: “I did appreciate it.”

Putin: “And we know how grateful you are. Because of this we are asking you to honor our requests of you and your government on certain issues.”

Trump: “What?”

Putin: “To begin, we now expect you to join us as an ally in the conflagration in Syria and do expect you to commit to sending your share of troops to assist in the fight to keep Assad in power among other favors. Let’s have some of your wretched vodka that you sent us 20 years ago. We saved it just for this occasion. Let’s toast to you and your administration which are now beholden to Mother Russia and Me.

NOSTROVIA MR. COMRADE PRESIDENT! Maybe you and I can wrestle a bear later”

Trump: “OMG!”

Putin: “Da! If you follow through on your obligations to us we may even allow you to erect one of your monolithic high-rise buildings in Moscow! Of course you will have to use our state-approved contractors and sub-contractors but you have been doing that with the Mob in the United States for years.”

Trump: “Well now Mr. Putin, you have made this palatable. NOSTROVIA!”

David Compton
Litchfield Park

 

Parents on naughty list

Editor:

On Dec 15th, I attended my grandson’s Christmas program at Inca Elementary School. He auditioned for the Fine Arts Club and got a part in the program. He has been practicing every week after school since mid September. The parking lot was overflowing, and the gym was filled to capacity with many left to stand against the wall. The Fine Arts Club teacher made an announcement before the performance, asking the audience to be quiet so the students could be heard, and to not move around so as not to block another parent’s view of their child. I thought to myself, really? You have to tell adults to be quiet? Not even half way through the performance, I understood why the announcement was made. Parents, shame on you. Numerous times the students were left standing on stage waiting for the crowd to quiet down. One time, after several minutes of waiting, the teacher closed the curtains and said “We are waiting for the audience to be quiet.” As if that wasn’t bad enough, parents began to leave after their child’s grade was done singing. Students who spent numerous hours rehearsing lines and songs were seeing the crowd disperse as they performed on stage. How rude, how disrespectful. By the time the performance was over, 3/4 of the crowd had already left. Congratulations parents, you just taught your child that if they are not the center of attention, it’s not necessary to stay till the end. You taught your child that it’s ok to be disrespectful and rude to the people around them. You taught your child how to be part of the “I’m the only one that matters” generation. Performers, outstanding job; you were awesome. While you are home on Christmas break, please teach your parents some manners.

Marge Meggers
Buckeye

 

Liberal crybabies back at it

Editor:

Liberal fantasy players at it again. Now, trying to overturn Presidential election results because they unhappy over results because their gal or guy didn’t win, otherwise you wouldn’t hear a peep out of them. The electoral college was established to level the playing field for all states to have a voice, not just super states like Calif and NY. It’s why we are called a Representative Republic.

It’s beyond sad what cry baby liberals have done to the Democrat party and civility of our nation. It’s beyond their pea brained comprehension that people are fed up with it.

Roy Sharp
Goodyear

 

Thoughts about 2 issues

Editor:

Gun Control?

Some perspectives would qualify the issue of gun control as complex. However, from a “Pro-Life” perspective this is a simple issue. Many countries have dealt with this issue and reduced the loss of life significantly. All we need to do is swallow our pride and accept the fact that this relatively young country, though very powerful country, can still learn some things. This is a simple case of the value we put on human life. An idea that philosophers use to rate a civilization.

Abortion?

This is another issue that if looked at from a “Pro-Life” perspective is a simple issue. Yet most “Pro-Life” people are against protecting life with “Gun Control”. Most “Pro-Life” people are also against strong government control. However, nothing is more controlling than restricting the rights of women to make their own health care decisions.

Gun control is an issue mostly effecting the rights of men. Anti-abortion is an issue effecting the rights of women. Men are more likely to commit violence than women. Women are more likely to own guns to protect themselves from the violence of men. Men have total control over the health and reproductive ability of their bodies. Pro-Life would take away women’s control over the health and reproductive ability of their bodies. Let’s switch the gender of these two issues. Assume for a moment that men have the more complex and amazing ability to grow and nurture life and women had only the task of impregnating the men. What government and what religion would limit the rights of men to have an abortion, and how long would there be no gun control if women were committing the violence?

Art Boyle
Buckeye

 

Whoa! Hold your horses!

Editor:

Full disclosure: I have met Mayor Meck and worked on his re-election campaign. I have met Dave Nigh. I have not discussed this with either gentlemen.

Now, that is out of the way, I would like to say to all of those who have been charged for excessive water usage…I FEEL YOUR PAIN.

In the summer of 2015 and 2016 we received excessive water bills. From 0 usage to 10K or 20K in 1 month. We contacted the Buckeye Water Dept in 2015 and the issue was resolved. In 2016 my intelligence was insulted and I was offended by the manner in which the office personnel treated me. I wrote Dave Nigh, attached supporting documents, our meter was checked, and our account was adjusted.

Questions: Faulty meter? Hasty meter read? Temp help? Same problem/attitude in other communities? Personnel attitude for fear of losing their job or just protocol?

It does take time to research and resolve these issues. Firing or Recalling will not solve the problems. Perhaps only inhibit finding the answers. Work with the Mayor and Council. A recall election is expensive and will cost EVERY TAXPAYER. Something to think about.

Marilyn A. Walker Vollmer
Buckeye

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porr000's picture

See comment in next issue please.

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The response to Thomas' empty rhetoric appears on the webpage of the next issue: http://www.westvalleyview.com/comment/25768#comment-25768

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A reply to this Comment appears in the webpage of the next issue: http://www.westvalleyview.com/comment/25766#comment-25766

Dear Gordon,

Sorry, Gordon but you’re full of smokehouse barbecue sauce as your letting your anger get the best of you. Anger increases the blood pressure, so calm down.

In your own words:

Gee, am I the only one who wants to come and play here anymore?

http://www.westvalleyview.com/articles/2016/10/12/letters-editor-october...

You can sue me “counselor” or you can kindly go back to New York. Start by taking I-10.

Thomas

Dear Patrick,

Patrick often brings a unique perspective to any conversation however; there is no need to be Gordon’s cavalry. He is quite capable of sinking within his own rhetoric.

Never said, nor do I recall quoting Netanyahu but, what occurred was Obama’s blunder opened the door to Netanyahu’s political agenda. You will have to ask Gordon about the Palestinian territory in the West Bank was an issue that he brought up.

The “Fact” of the painful truth is the Democratic Party has lost enormous political ground over the past eight years under Obama’s leadership. Unfortunately, for Obama by abstaining on the controversial United Nations Security Council resolution will cement his legacy as being the most anti-Israel president in American history.

Thomas

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Dear Thomas:

   Sorry yourself (and you're a pretty sorry character) but opinions aren't facts!  So what if a poll showed more Israelis thought poorly of Obama than approved of him.  As I recall we kept hearing throughout this year of polls showing a certain Democratic candidate was "inevitable", and her victory on Election Night was assured.  How'd that work out?

   So, which set of "facts" are we to believe?  Was Hillary "inevitable", is Obama Pro-Israel?  Apparently polling indicated both are true!  (At least, in the latter case, I bet among Israelis who disagree with Netanyahu.)

   And you certainly seem insecure about Lying Trump's "legitimacy" (as the President-elect).  That's why you and other "conservatives" try to pretend he somehow has a "mandate" from the American "people".  Sorry, he doesn't.  The nation is bitterly divided about that guy, and a majority of the Americans who bothered to vote (the only people who count being the ones who voted) didn't vote for him!  Some "mandate".

   Does this "delegitimize" his presidency?  No, I expect he'll manage to do that all by himself, and soon enough the land will reverberate with the cry "Impeach Him Now!"  Maybe that's what you're afraid of, so (in classic fashion) you try to hide your insecurity with bluster, bravado, and sophistry.  (Classic not just for you, but for all insecure people.)

   And I love the way you supposedly "independent thinkers" among the "conservatives" keep repeating the same talking points about how many States the Democrats have lost during the Obama years, as if State elections are entirely determined by who is President.  Gee, that explains how Arpaio just got re-elected!  (Oh, wait, he didn't?  Never mind.)  Once again your insecurity is showing.

   Democratic Senator Schumer can disagree with the President.  (There's no such thing as a "Democrat Senator", you Republi-Con!)  It's a free country (so far), and he's entitled to his opinion, as you are to yours, and I am to mine.  And we can hold our opinions without being called "traitors", "un-godly", "hypocrites", or any of the other epithets Republi-Cons like you like to hurl at those who disagree.

   (So no hypocritical lectures about using ad hominems from you sir.  I'll stop when you stop.)

   Meanwhile, I can't help noticing the complete lack of substance to what you wrote, and how you evaded and avoided just about all the points I made.  A sure sign you have no good arguments to make!  So, let's try this again, and see if you're even capable of honestly addressing what I said; specifically what's your response to the following points I previously made?

   1) Must the U.S. blindly support everything Netanyahu does (or wants to do)?

   2) Does the opinion of one man (even if he's the Prime Minister) constitute the opinion of all of Israel, or just of its current government?  (And, given how fractured Israel's parliamentary system is, can we even say that?)

   3) What legal (let alone principled or moral) basis is there for the Settlements?

   4) Must Jews blindly support everything Netanyahu does (or wants to do)?

   5) Must all Israelis (both the Jewish and Muslim Israelis) blindly support everything Netanyahu does (or wants to do)?

   6) On what basis do you claim to "know" what "the Israelis point of view" is?  (And opinion polls don't count, for reasons already stated.)  Remember, the only thing two Jews can agree on is that a third Jew is wrong!  Rather hard to get unanimity of opinion among such a "stiff-necked" and argumentative people.

   7) I repeat: "what's to become of the Palestinians whose lands are being seized?"  You didn't answer this all important question, and I must insist that you do, since Israel's fate depends on it.  (You can offer other alternatives than the three I offered, but the more you evade and avoid this critical question, the more you prove you have no answer!)

   And finally,

   8) Should friends let their friends drive drunk?  (I've already explained the metaphor.)

   Time to put up or shut up, bubalah.

 

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Dear Patrick:

   You should go to New York and see it in real life.  Like the Grand Canyon, or Michaelangelo's David, pictures don't do it justice.

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Thomas, while we are at it, why don't you explain for us why you support Netanyahu's action of taking over parts of the Palestinian territory in the West Bank. Then after that, you can explain why the US should continue to support it.

Patrick

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